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Last night while watching the debates it really struck me how truly insane these GOP Candidates are...Each one trying to out tough the next one and trying to get the 28%er's all riled up By invoking 911, terrorism, torture and fear...I am just going to highlight a few things and let this one go...
First off is the fact the only candidate on the stage last night with any kind of true political convictions was systematically attacked by the moderators (Faux Noise & Shit Hume), and fellow candidates...From Crooks & Liars:
Was there any doubt this was going to happen?
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Wallace: "Congressman Paul, you're one of six house Republicans who back in 2002 voted against authorizing President Bush to use force in Iraq. Now you say we should pull our troops out. A recent poll found that 77% of Republicans dissaprove of the idea of setting a timetable for withdrawal. Are you running for the nomination of the wrong party?"
Paul: "You-you have to realize that the base of the Republican Party shrunk last year because of the war issue, so that percentage represents less people. If you look at 65-70% of the American people, they want us out of there, they want the war over."
As a side note, John McCain's campaign has been urging supporters to spam conservative blogs to give the appearance that he won the debate.
Now normally I would be cheering about the Rethugs eating their own but this case is particularly telling because you can see the obvious pattern of Faux and the MSM (Faux Noise is propaganda not news) trying to minimize Paul's call for a return of true conservatism...Instead they keep pushing the same extreme points...The one that disturbed me the most is the question about torture?!? WTF?!? How cna anyone of them be taken seriously and why is Tancredo Brownback and the other "Un-Intelligent Designers" still in the debates...Their answers on evolution should have eliminated them from the door...Anyway I noticed there is a lot of flack about exactly who won the debate...For a long time last night Ron Paul was leading in ALL polls...Fox kept theirs open and urged folks to vote for anyone but Ron Paul...I think the Cultist Mitt Romney finally got enough votes so that they could close their poll...This MSNBC Poll results show clearly that the people watching not including the 28%er's, liked the things Ron Paul was saying...From MSNBC:
| Who stood out from the pack? * 17613 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 1.5%  | Jim Gilmore 0.7% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 16% | Mike Huckabee 3.5% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.3% | John McCain 4.2% | ||||
| Ron Paul 53% | Mitt Romney 15% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 2.4% | Tommy Thompson 2.1% | ||||
| Who showed the most leadership qualities? * 17425 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 1.4% | Jim Gilmore 0.9% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 16% | Mike Huckabee 2.8% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.5% | John McCain 6.4% | ||||
| Ron Paul 50% | Mitt Romney 17% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 2% | Tommy Thompson 2.2% | ||||
| Who was the most convincing candidate? * 17308 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 1.5% | Jim Gilmore 0.9% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 15% | Mike Huckabee 3.5% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.5% | John McCain 5.5% | ||||
| Ron Paul 52% | Mitt Romney 16% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 2.4% | Tommy Thompson 2.3% | ||||
| Who had the most rehearsed answers? * 16869 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 2.7% | Jim Gilmore 1.9% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 32% | Mike Huckabee 2.9% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.3% | John McCain 23% | ||||
| Ron Paul 7% | Mitt Romney 22% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 2.2% | Tommy Thompson 4.7% | ||||
| Who avoided the questions? * 16622 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 3.6% | Jim Gilmore 3.5% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 44% | Mike Huckabee 2.7% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.9% | John McCain 16% | ||||
| Ron Paul 6.8% | Mitt Romney 14% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 2.5% | Tommy Thompson 4.9% | ||||
| Who had the best one-liner? * 16642 responses | |||||
| Sam Brownback 2.5% | Jim Gilmore 1.9% | ||||
| Rudy Giuliani 17% | Mike Huckabee 15% | ||||
| Duncan Hunter 1.9% | John McCain 7.7% | ||||
| Ron Paul 37% | Mitt Romney 8.1% | ||||
| Tom Tancredo 5.9% | Tommy Thompson 3.5% | ||||
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding. | |||||
Clearly if your not delusional Ron Paul won this debatye and it shows just where the American Public is really at in respects to The Republican party...
The next thing that really concerns me is the talk about torture...From Crooks:
During the second GOP debate, Fox News' Brit Hume sets up a hypothetical situation where three terrorist attacks occur at shopping malls in major cities. A fourth attack is thwarted and that would-be attacker, who we know has information about an impending, larger attack is captured and taken to Guantanamo Bay. The candidates are asked if they believe Torture Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, including waterboarding, should be used to get information from the detainee.
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McCain - No on
TortureEnhanced Interrogation TechniquesGiuliani - Yes on
TortureEnhanced Interrogation TechniquesRomney - Yes on
TortureEnhanced Interrogation Techniques and while you're at it, Double Guantanamo! (loud applause from audience)
Brit Hume tackles the question of torture at the Republican debate by describing a doomsday scenario that comes right out of the op-ed pages of the NY Post and Surnow's FOX show "24."
To his credit, McCain did say that it was a million to one scenario. Back to Digby:
It was quite interesting watching the Republicans debate down in South Carolina tonight. I think it's clear that this group has come to fully understand that winning the GOP nomination is all about the codpiece. These guys have just spent the last fifteen minutes of the debate trying to top each other on just how much torture they are willing to inflict. They sound like a bunch of psychotic 12 year olds, although considering the puerile nature of the "24" question it's not entirely their fault. This debate is a very clear insight into what really drives the GOP id…read on
What all these idiots fail to realize and Ron Paul made it clear last night that they just don't have the numbers...Are these guy's all on crack...28% is not going to get you elected...Like I said about that first debate..."If this is the best the GOP can offer America then America is in bad shape indeed..." I don't want to forget about the other "Front-runner" Rudy Gui (Jew)...All he can talk about is 911...He cannot wait to try to steer the discussion to 911 and terrorism...Yeah the Mayor for Life In NYC...The Big hero of 911...Here is the real truth about Rudy's 911 legacy...From Media Matters:
I got to add this one last clip...Anytime Hannity get's smacked down makes my day...Ron Paul kicked him right in the throat last night...He tried his normal bully act and Paul walked all over him like the Doormat he is...Crooks:
The FOX post-debate show got a little heated last night when Hannity and Colmes got around to interviewing Ron Paul about how things went. Hannity tried to pull his usual schtick by asking a question then interrupting and talking over the guest, but Paul plowed right ahead. Hannity brought up Paul's exchange with Rudy Giuliani on the root cause of 9/11 and couldn't seem to grasp the concept of American foreign policy playing a role in Islamic terrorism. Alan jumps in at the end and teams up with Rep. Paul to counter Sean's talking point stupidity.
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The GOP is in really sad shape and anyone that still supports these idiots are also...Prime example Sean Hannity...
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